20:44:00< luizsan> where can I get the latest sm build? can't find it on github
20:44:07< Karai> github.
20:44:58< luizsan> where exactly on github
20:45:04< Karai> releases
20:45:21< luizsan> ok thanks
20:50:17< luizsan> will the old themes/noteskins work on this 5.1.0 alpha?
20:50:50< luizsan> it's interesting and I want to give it a try without exploding all my previous work
20:51:03< Kyzentun> now I know how my sister feels when teaching class every day. :(
20:52:23< Karai> lol
20:52:32< Kyzentun> The old stuff will work on 5.1 alpha for now, because the new stuff has to be enabled by calling a function on gameplay.
20:53:21< luizsan> is there a proper documentation for the new stuff?
20:53:43< Kyzentun> No, I didn't write any documentation at all.  The release notes are full of lies.
20:53:46 * Karai hugs Kyzentun, It'll be okay.
20:53:51< Kyzentun> </sarcasm>
20:55:36< luizsan> documentation is nowhere to be seen on the channel's topic or in the releases page
20:55:49< luizsan> can you please stop being an asshole and just answer my simple questions?
20:56:08< luizsan> if there is a documentation, please link it to me
20:56:08< Karai> it's in the Docs/ folder in the release or on github
20:56:09< luizsan> thanks
20:57:50< Kyzentun> Seriously, if you look in the release notes here, it tells you where the documentation is:  https://github.com/stepmania/stepmania/releases/tag/v5.1.0a
20:58:12< Kyzentun> "Changes to RollingNumbers are fully documented
20:58:14< Kyzentun> in Docs/Themerdocs/5.1_incompatibilities/RollingNumbers.md."
20:58:23< Kyzentun> "The new noteskin system is fully documented in NewSkins/default, which is an example noteskin explaining all the features and demonstrating some of them."
20:58:36< Kyzentun> "Initial documentation is in Docs/Themerdocs/5.1_incompatibilities/NewField.md."
20:58:46< Kyzentun> " Full docs in Docs/Themerdocs/5.1_incompatibilities/NewField_mod_system.md."
20:59:37< Kyzentun> So I spent a day writing detailed release notes that state EXACTLY WHAT YOU ASKED ABOUT, and you ignored them.
21:00:13< luizsan> I am sorry for not reading the whole wall of text
21:00:35< Karai> release notes are important
21:00:42< Karai> you shoudl read them before asking questions
21:00:46< luizsan> but please refrain from using your -sarcasm-
21:00:50< Karai> since they often answer anythign you'd want to ask
21:01:12< luizsan> if you just told me to go back and read the release page it would be ok
21:02:17< Kyzentun> You're the third person today to ask the same questions.  So it's frustrating.
21:02:43< luizsan> so it's fine to vent your frustrations on me? please
21:03:47< Karai> How about we just drop the issue, since it's been resolved?
21:04:08< Karai> wolfman2000: add to the topic that peopel shoudl read the god damn release notes before askign questions
21:04:11< Kyzentun> Okay, imagine you write a 20 page essay and turn it in to your professor.  The next day, he asks you a question that is answered halfway down the first page.
21:04:31< Karai> and uh, update the release tag to 5.0.10 :P
21:06:24<@wolfman2000> Karai: 5.0.10 should be on the executable. how is it not?
21:06:31< Karai> the topic in irc
21:10:09<@wolfman2000> oh.
21:11:21-!- wolfman2000 changed the topic of #stepmania-devs to: http://stepmania.com | https://github.com/stepmania/stepmania | Luadoc: http://goo.gl/XNiov | Lua guide: http://goo.gl/hd7jJ3 | Theming Wiki: http://goo.gl/SO7W5 | Latest: 5.0.10 (2015-10-31); https://github.com/stepmania/stepmania/releases/tag/v5.0.10 | Don't ask to ask, just ask (and stick around, too)! | Seriously, read the Lua manual. | ffmpeg is tricky, WE KNOW! | cmake or riot
21:13:48<@wolfman2000> Karai: happy now?
21:13:58< Karai> No, you ignored my first point :P
21:14:35<@wolfman2000> telling people to read it is almost fruitless
21:17:04< luizsan> you know what else is fruitless? this excessive douchebaggery
21:17:28< Karai> I'm trying to be the peacemaker here
21:20:44< Kyzentun> I'm done, find someone you don't insult to help next time you need help.
/ignore luizsan
21:22:09<@wolfman2000> I'm not trying to be a douche. I'm just not sure how telling people to read the notes would help when many in the past have not done so.
21:23:54< Kyzentun> Well, I wrote the notes so that I don't have to answer the same questions from 30 different people.
21:24:25< Kyzentun> And the documentation because it's a highly complex system and people need something written to refer back to and chew on while working.
21:25:21< Karai> Perhaps you just don't know how to use github?
21:26:17< Karai> You're in a dev channel, talking to developers about stepmania development. knowing the basics of github and reading release notes is sort of an expected skill here
21:27:43< Karai> of course i'm right, i'm always right.
21:28:25<@wolfman2000> ...no you aren't.
21:28:32< Karai> yes i am
21:28:58<@wolfman2000> trust me: NO ONE is always right
21:29:04< Karai> except for me
21:29:10-!- Karai was kicked from #stepmania-devs by wolfman2000 [you aren't.]
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21:29:18< Karai> i totes am
21:30:23< Karai> <3
21:31:46<@wolfman2000> I'm not in the mood to deal with this... Karai, you need to cool it.
21:32:03< Karai> Cool it? I'm not the one being heated, I'm just being playful.
21:40:09<@wolfman2000> you have a horrible way of showing it
21:41:32< Karai> okay